Keith Koldsbaek's faith Life Inside NASCAR

What I love about this episode is how fun, human, unique and authentic our guest is. His name is Keith Koldsbaek,  but from his story, in the next few minutes...you will also get to know more about hydroplane race driving legend  Chip Hanauer,  as well as Kaitlyn, Dee Dee and Bella. 

You'll find out about how Nascar driver Jimmy Johnson ended up standing on the sponson of a hydroplane with hydroplane driver icon Bill Muncey. 

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Keith shares details of the marriage that didn't happen, but the daughter who did and how that was a life changing Jesus moment.  From an early age Keith had a " need for speed"  and shares  how go-carts led to NASCAR and a 40 year career making things go fast.  Throughout it all he leaned heavily on his faith in many ways, including church every Sunday as a kid right up to being engaged in "Motor Racing Outreach" a weekly Bible Study.   Keith, with his bi-coastal wife,  are both committed to do what they can to follow Jesus and to do what they can to help make heaven crowded,  showing up every day as disciples of Jesus.  Oh...and the story of his best friend...a 15 pound, 14 year old long haired dachshund is crazy!  Together they have run 5 marathons  and 40 half marathons and as many as 1600 miles in a year.   Fascinating. Enjoy.

KEITH KOLDSBAEK AT A GLANCE

Hendrick Motorsports • NASCAR • Race-Car Builder & Mechanic • Former Fabricator • Lifelong Racing Enthusiast

Topics

NASCAR • Racing • Hendrick Motorsports • Go-karts • Faith • Jesus • Chip Hanauer • Jimmie Johnson • Family • Motor Racing Outreach • Bella the marathon-running dachshund • Purpose

His Faith Journey

Childhood church → Faith fades as family moves to California → Reading the Bible independently → Daughter Caitlin is born → Personal “light-switch” awakening to Jesus → Faith within NASCAR through Motor Racing Outreach → Seeing God’s direction in everyday circumstances → Desire to serve and make heaven more crowded

This Episode Explores

• Keith Koldsbaek’s journey from go-karts to NASCAR

• Growing up in Seattle and Huntington Beach

• His difficult childhood and leaving home at 18

• Four decades working with race cars

• His career with Dan Gurney, IndyCar and Hendrick Motorsports

• The birth of his daughter Caitlin and his return to faith

• Finding Christian community inside NASCAR

• His friendship with hydroplane legend Chip Hanauer

• How Keith connected Jimmie Johnson with hydroplane racing

• Running marathons with his dachshund Bella

• His bi-coastal marriage to Dee Dee

• Learning to see God’s purpose in both “yes” and “no”

Questions Answered

• Who is Keith Koldsbaek?

• How did Keith Koldsbaek get into racing?

• How did he get from go-karts to NASCAR?

• What does Keith Koldsbaek do at Hendrick Motorsports?

• What was Keith’s childhood like?

• How did the birth of his daughter change his faith?

• What is Motor Racing Outreach?

• How did Keith meet Chip Hanauer?

• What is the connection between Jimmie Johnson and hydroplane racing?

• Who is Bella, Keith’s marathon-running dachshund?

• How does Keith view the difficult experiences in his life?

• What does Keith believe God is calling him to do next?

Podcast Transcript: Keith Koldsbaek on NASCAR, Faith, Family, Racing & Following God

Amazing Greats with Ric Hansen

From Go-Karts to NASCAR

Ric Hansen:Hi, it's Ric Hansen here with Amazing Greats. Thanks for joining us today.

Our guest is Keith Koldsbaek. He's grown up around speed. That's his game. From go-karts to NASCAR, he's a legend in the racing business.

With over four decades of making cars run at peak performance, he shares some of that story, along with his personal story and Jesus journey, here on Amazing Greats.

Thanks to Unlimited Hydroplane icon Chip Hanauer, who gave us Keith's information and suggested we give him a call. And here he is with us today.

Keith, it is a pleasure to have you on the show. I've heard so many things about you through one of our legends here in the Northwest, Chip Hanauer, who tells me you are like the guru of NASCAR.

We're going to find out all about that story, your Christian journey, your personal life and all of that over the next 35 minutes or so.

Welcome, Keith. Thank you for being here.

Keith Koldsbaek:Thank you for having me.

Ric Hansen:Let's start with that.

I'm a Northwest guy, and for some unknown reason NASCAR and drag racing have not gotten much traction here. So I want you to tell your racing story.

You've been in this world of drag racing and NASCAR for decades. Let's start with where it all started.

Did you have an interest as a boy in automobiles and racing?

Keith Koldsbaek:Our family lived in Bellevue and Seattle when I was younger, and then we moved down to Huntington Beach, California.

I have a twin brother, Kenny, and he and I somehow got interested in the Indianapolis 500.

Back then, the only races you could see on TV were the Indy 500, the Grand Prix of Monaco and Formula One, and then the Daytona 500.

For some reason, the Indianapolis 500 was a big deal. We were glued to the TV whenever it was on, and we'd get the sports page and see who was fast every day during practice in the month of May.

That led to, "Dad, can we get a go-kart?"

Then it was, "Dad, can we go race the go-kart?"

Then, "Dad, we need a faster go-kart."

And it somehow snowballed from there.

We moved from Seattle to Huntington Beach when I was 10 years old, in 1970.

My dad had a business about 15 minutes away in Costa Mesa, and Southern California at that time happened to be the proving ground for hot-rodding and racing.

Growing Up Around Seattle Hydroplanes

Ric Hansen:So you remember hydroplane racing in Seattle?

Keith Koldsbaek:I remember hydroplanes on Green Lake.

My grandparents lived just above Green Lake, and my brother and I, when we were five or six years old, would walk down to Green Lake unescorted, as we did back then.

I remember going in Green Lake.

And, of course, Seafair in Seattle—that was a big deal.

Ric Hansen:Yeah. And then we had 64 Funny Cars. Do you remember those days?

Keith Koldsbaek:We had that also in Huntington Beach, California, at Orange County International Raceway.

Yeah, we had 64 Funny Cars.

Ric Hansen:That's the exposure I had as a youngster: unlimited hydros and 64 Funny Cars.

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah. That's a good way to grow up.

From Hot Rods to Professional Racing

Ric Hansen:So where along the way did NASCAR come into the picture?

Keith Koldsbaek:I guess you've got to go a little bit further.

I grew up in California and got a job with a guy named Art Christman after high school, building hot rods.

From Art Christman's hot-rod shop, I had a couple of friends who worked for Dan Gurney's All American Racers, which was about 10 minutes from our shop.

That was probably the hardest day of my life—having to quit Art Christman because he was still my favorite boss ever.

He allowed us to make mistakes. You didn't get in trouble. You just learned from it.

Fortunately, my new boss was friends with Art Christman. His name was Phil Remington.

I went there, and that was Indy cars and sports cars.

I did that for a while, and then I really wanted to go to Formula One in Europe, which was difficult.

I ended up going down to Nissan in Vista, California, near San Diego, because they were going to go Formula One racing.

That lasted about three years, I think.

Then in 1993 I went to IndyCars with Arciero Racing.

That folded, and I said, "I'm going to go live someplace where if they don't like me or I don't like them, I don't have to move."

That was Charlotte, North Carolina.

I didn't know anybody when I moved there. I'd never been to a race. I just knew that I could do the work.

Four Decades of Making Race Cars Go Fast

Ric Hansen:What has been your role in the world of race cars for the most part? Has it changed over time?

Keith Koldsbaek:Yes.

Back when we started, you built everything yourself.

You started with a sheet of material or a piece of tubing out of the rack. You got a drawing from engineering, made a fixture for the drawing and then made the part.

If you fast-forward to today, everything comes out of a catalog.

We literally don't make anything anymore.

I basically went from being a mechanic and a fabricator—mostly a fabricator—to now just being a mechanic.

Ric Hansen:So you keep the cars running and running as fast as they possibly can.

Keith Koldsbaek:That's our goal.

A Difficult Childhood

Ric Hansen:When we were on the phone for our pre-call, you had one fascinating story after another.

One of them was that there was an interesting scenario going on at your birth. Can you tell us about that?

Keith Koldsbaek:My brother and I are twins.

My mom and dad didn't get along, so they split up. This was around 1960.

My mom couldn't afford us, so she was going to put us up for adoption.

My grandfather on my dad's side said, "We'll take them."

My grandma and grandpa lived in New Westminster, Canada, and we went to live with them.

Then they moved down to Seattle.

At the age of four, we moved to Seattle.

At the age of six, my dad showed up with my stepmom and my stepbrother and said, "This is your mom now. This is your brother."

I'm thinking, "That's not my mom. That's not my brother."

Ric Hansen:Did your dad have a change of heart? How did he decide that he wanted you back in his family?

Keith Koldsbaek:Probably because he now had somebody to take care of us—his new wife.

He was a traveling salesman, so he was gone three out of four weeks of the month.

Ric Hansen:And growing up with this new family, how did that work?

Keith Koldsbaek:It was a struggle.

Leaving Home

Ric Hansen:Until what time were you able to escape the struggle?

Keith Koldsbaek:Actually, 16, because then you get a car and you can have your own life.

But the second I turned 18, I lowered my suitcase out the window of the second story, walked around downstairs, walked out the back door and left.

Ric Hansen:What about Kenny? What happened with Kenny?

Keith Koldsbaek:He's right here right now.

We live 30 minutes apart.

He kind of did the same route—racing and racing and racing—and ended up in North Carolina also.

Ric Hansen:Did he crawl out the window with you?

Keith Koldsbaek:I went first.

He has a composite shop—carbon fiber. He bakes parts for everything from Harley-Davidsons to airplanes to race cars. Just a whole bunch of cool stuff.

Faith in the Middle of the Struggle

Ric Hansen:During the struggle with the new family that you were brought back into, where was your faith story?

Was there anything going on in terms of Christianity in your life at that point?

Keith Koldsbaek:We were heavily involved at Lake Hills Baptist Church.

Bible study was at our house every Wednesday, church on Sunday morning. It was pretty strong.

My grandfather had smuggled Bibles into Europe during World War II.

My grandmother was a real character. This was the hippie era in Seattle in the early '60s, and we got one of those necklaces—I don't know what it was, but it was really cool.

I remember my grandmother saying, "You can't wear that around your grandfather because that's the Antichrist or something like that."

It was just funny.

We weren't even allowed to play cards. We couldn't have cards in the house.

So, yeah, Bible study at our house, church every Sunday. It was solid.

Then we moved to California, and we tried to find a local, fun, Bible-preaching church.

We went to church after church after church, and eventually our parents just stopped going.

That was in the early '70s. I was 12 or 13.

I remained faithful. I just didn't go to church.

I read the Bible, but it wasn't until my daughter was born in 1995 that it finally hit me.

You find out what love means when you have a child.

The Birth of Caitlin: A Jesus Moment

Ric Hansen:Was there a pivotal moment—a come-to-Jesus awakening at that point—or was it gradual?

Keith Koldsbaek:No, absolutely. It was a light switch.

When we brought her home, it was over. It was good.

Ric Hansen:And that leads us into another story.

The mother of your daughter, Caitlin—you never actually consummated a marriage, right?

Keith Koldsbaek:We never got married.

There were two times we were supposed to get married. People had flown in, and she didn't choose me.

Ric Hansen:What?

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah. So it's cool. We're still friends.

She changed her mind twice.

So we never got married, never went to court, never had to take care of everything because I did what was right.

I always paid for everything.

Caitlin always had insurance. I paid child support based on what I made for 18 years.

Ric Hansen:How did you navigate the idea of your faith and not having had the marriage? Did that bother you?

Keith Koldsbaek:Yes, absolutely.

But that's one of the things that changed me around.

I'm not going to judge either. We've all fallen short, and we do it every single day.

I guess that's a life experience that you can share with somebody or keep to yourself.

But try not to judge.

Raising Caitlin and Staying Close

Ric Hansen:Did Caitlin live with her mom more or with you?

Keith Koldsbaek:She lived with her mom mostly full-time.

I got her anytime I wanted on the weekends. We were good with each other.

For her birthday, I'd take a week off work, and we usually went to a foreign country—not just a birthday party.

We'd go to El Salvador or Europe.

We even went to Seattle and visited Chip.

Ric Hansen:And you and your daughter are still very close, as I understand.

Keith Koldsbaek:Very close.

Finding Faith in the Racing World

Ric Hansen:In 1995, you were still working in this whirly, swirly, crazy world of race cars.

It doesn't seem like that's necessarily a breeding ground for spirituality, but I could be wrong.

How did you navigate the two worlds?

Keith Koldsbaek:Well, it isn't.

There's something called MRO—Motor Racing Outreach.

There's chapel service every Sunday morning at the track.

We have Bible study.

I work at Hendrick Motorsports, and we're 550 people, but there's a Bible study in a different section of the complex every single day.

Our day is Thursday. Thursdays from 9:00 to 9:15 is a quick little Bible study.

Ric Hansen:That's amazing.

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah. It's a pretty big deal.

Ric Hansen:Is there a pastor who floats from one Bible study to the next?

Keith Koldsbaek:It's the same pastor, but we actually have a pastor on campus.

Ric Hansen:Really?

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah.

Rick Hendrick and Linda Hendrick are passionate about it.

Ric Hansen:And they're still actively involved? They're running the show?

Keith Koldsbaek:Absolutely.

Recognizing God's Direction

Ric Hansen:Sometimes it's looking back and recognizing that God was involved in decisions that you made.

Is there a time—or a few times—when you can say, "That was God's direction that I was following"?

Keith Koldsbaek:Every day.

Not so much when you're younger, but when you get older, you start to recognize things.

Let me tell you one cool story.

Chip Hanauer called me the other day and said, "Do you think any of your NASCAR drivers would like to drive the boat?"

I said, "I don't know. I'll ask."

At the time we had Dale Earnhardt Jr., Jimmie Johnson, Kasey Kahne and Jeff Gordon.

My first thought was, "I'll go ask Kasey because he's from Enumclaw, Washington. He's got to be a boat guy."

Who could come from Washington and not be a boat guy?

So I asked Kasey.

He's like, "I don't want anything to do with those guys because those guys are nuts."

I'm like, "Oh."

So I asked Dale Jr. He said, "Absolutely not."

Then I ran into Jimmie.

I said, "Jimmie, I have a friend. They're trying to raise some money for the Unlimited Hydroplane Museum. They thought it'd be cool if they got a NASCAR driver to drive the boat."

He almost teared up.

I said, "What?"

He said, "Are you kidding me?"

I told him about my friend Chip Hanauer and how they take the Atlas Van Lines boat out and do things with it.

I asked if he'd be interested in driving.

He said, "I've got to tell you a story."

Jimmie Johnson is from El Cajon, California.

For his birthday, his dad would take him to Mission Bay every year to watch the boats.

Who would have thought?

He's nine or ten years old. He's into motocross, dirt bikes, all of that, but he loved the boats.

One day at Mission Bay, Bill Muncey's Atlas Van Lines boat had its motor shut off during a heat race.

The boat floated toward the beach, and some people went out to catch it so it wouldn't run up on the beach.

Jimmie's dad took him and set him on the sponson of the boat.

Muncey was standing on the front of it.

Someone got a picture of it.

There's a picture of Jimmie on the boat wearing his yellow motocross hat.

The world goes round.

Chip and I have been friends since the early '90s.

Jimmie came through NASCAR.

I happened to be the guy working for Jimmie who also happened to be friends with Chip.

Chip calls me. I ask Jimmie.

That connection would have never happened otherwise.

And now Jimmie gets to fulfill a dream—a passion he's had since he was a little boy.

Ric Hansen:That's a great story.

Keith Koldsbaek:I'm excited.

Keith and Chip Hanauer

Ric Hansen:You and Chip—how did you know each other?

Keith Koldsbaek:He was a crossing guard at school and used to beat me up for lunch money.

He'll deny it if you ask him.

Besides that, he retired from boats for a little while.

I don't even know how he got hooked up with a friend of mine named Dennis Ossi.

Chip wanted to go road racing, and Dennis had a Toyota program for guys just like Chip.

Circus Circus came on board for the first year on Chip's car, and he had Parnelli Jones, P.J. Jones, Juan Fangio, John Morton—all these heroes.

They all drove for Dennis.

Chip got to drive.

At that time I worked with Dan Gurney's All American Racers, but I was also friends with Dennis, who ran the Firehawk program that Chip drove in.

That's how we connected.

Ric Hansen:And you're good friends to this day.

Keith Koldsbaek:Absolutely. I talked to him yesterday.

Climbing Mount Rainier with Chip

Ric Hansen:You're actually going to have an adventure with Chip coming up this summer.

Tell us about the excitement that's happening in your life with Chip this summer.

Keith Koldsbaek:He turns 70 on July 1.

For his 70th birthday, we're going to do Camp Muir—Muir base camp.

Ric Hansen:Yeah.

Keith Koldsbaek:I think it's about 10,000 feet.

We're going to do that hike for his birthday.

Ric Hansen:Is he in good enough shape to handle that at 70?

Keith Koldsbaek:We're about to find out.

I run marathons with my dog, so it's up to Chip to be in shape to do some hiking.

Bella: The Marathon-Running Dachshund

Ric Hansen:That's a good transition.

Marathons with your dog?

Wait a minute.

You have a dog. Her name is Bella.

Keith Koldsbaek:Bella is a long-haired dachshund.

When she's super in shape, she's 12¾ pounds, and when she's heavy, she's 14½.

My daughter rescued her from underneath a mobile home and paid $50 for her.

I'd never had a dog in my life, so I thought dogs needed to be outside.

We started being outside and going for walks.

She's over there complaining right now because she's not outside.

I thought, "Man, this would go a lot faster if we'd run."

I used to play soccer all the way through college, so I know how to run.

We started running, and she loved it.

It went from couch to 5K, couch to 10K, couch to half marathon.

I found a half marathon that was all downhill in the mountains here in North Carolina.

She acted like it was recess. It was easy.

Then we got carried away.

She's done five complete marathons.

Ric Hansen:My gosh. Those short little legs!

Bella, come here.

Let's see Bella.

Oh my gosh.

She is so sweet-looking.

How old is she now?

Keith Koldsbaek:She was 14 in November.

Ric Hansen:Fourteen and running marathons and half marathons.

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah, we don't do the marathons anymore.

We're big on half marathons, though.

Ric Hansen:Somewhere I saw that you did five marathons with Bella and something like 40 or 50 half marathons.

Keith Koldsbaek:Correct.

The last one we ran was in December.

Ric Hansen:Do you have anything else on the docket for this year?

Keith Koldsbaek:Everything.

Now that the sun's staying out longer, we'll start running longer distances.

Ric Hansen:And how are you faring through all that?

Keith Koldsbaek:She usually pulls me along pretty good.

Ric Hansen:I was going to ask who paces whom.

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah.

In the summer it gets pretty hot and humid here in North Carolina.

It can be miserable. It'll be 90 degrees and 60 percent humidity.

You're just dripping sweat, and she never checks up.

So we'll run a little bit slower. I go at her pace in the summer.

Then in the winter we're probably three minutes a mile faster than we are in the summer.

Feeding a Marathon-Running Dog

Ric Hansen:Is there special food?

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah.

I was trying to figure out what to do with her because I didn't want to kill her—I liked her a little bit!

I was trying to think of what dogs run as far as she does.

On a good week we can do 60 miles. On a bad week, 20.

The only dog I could think of was sled dogs.

So I contacted two different sled-dog people in Alaska.

I said, "What do you feed these dogs?"

They said chicken and salmon and frozen rice.

They use frozen rice to hold water.

About 80 percent of her diet is chicken and salmon that I cook every day.

Ric Hansen:At night, is she pooped? Is she ready for some slumber?

Keith Koldsbaek:No. She never gets tired.

Ever.

I've never seen her tired.

She's never stopped, she's never quit and she's never complained.

Ric Hansen:What a sweetheart.

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah.

Ric Hansen:Somewhere I read that a couple of years ago she had run 1,600 miles or something like that.

Keith Koldsbaek:That was just for the year.

Ric Hansen:1,600 miles in one year!

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah.

Ric Hansen:And you use foot wraps when you're running?

Keith Koldsbaek:It's called pet wrap. It's like gauze.

I put it on the front because that's where all the weight is if we're running on concrete.

But if we're on trails, snow or sand, nothing at all.

A Bi-Coastal Marriage

Ric Hansen:Another part of the Keith story that's interesting is that you're married now, but you live in North Carolina and she lives on the West Coast.

You've been married for a year and a half. How's that working out?

Keith Koldsbaek:She just left last night.

We met in high school when we were 15 years old.

We're 64 years old now, and I'll be 65 in January.

Another weird fact is that she was born January 28th and I was born January 30th.

We're literally 48 hours apart in age.

She's a neonatal nurse, so she can schedule her workdays at the beginning of one week and the end of another week and basically be out here for seven or eight days.

Then when I take vacation or a holiday, I can go back that way.

It's working out well.

We get along.

As soon as we retire, we'll probably be in the same place all the time.

A Shared Faith

Ric Hansen:How about her faith story? Is that congruent with yours?

Keith Koldsbaek:She's the same.

She teaches Bible study.

All of her kids and grandkids are involved in the church.

She's a rock.

Ric Hansen:Were you married in the church in North Carolina?

Keith Koldsbaek:No, out in Vista, California.

My daughter, my nieces and all my friends flew out there.

A First Marriage That Lasted Less Than a Year

Ric Hansen:And that was your first marriage?

Keith Koldsbaek:Actually, it was my second marriage.

My first marriage was to Satan.

Which is weird because we met in church.

And then it was bad.

Ric Hansen:Really? And you knew that pretty much from the get-go?

Keith Koldsbaek:No.

The day after we got married.

People tell stories like, "Everything was wonderful, and then once we got married, it was like this."

That's my story.

We went to bed the night of our wedding, got up the next day, and everything was different.

I was like, "Whoa. Where did that person come from?"

It was bad.

It lasted less than a year.

Ric Hansen:Did you consult with the Lord about all of that?

Keith Koldsbaek:Absolutely.

We went to three different counseling sessions—church, everybody.

I tried everything.

Learning from the Hard Things

Ric Hansen:In everybody's story, there's that light-switch moment.

You've already described yours as when Caitlin was born.

But there are also those moments when you say, "Where was God in this?"

An unanswered prayer. A struggle you couldn't quite figure out.

Maybe that marriage was one of them.

Keith Koldsbaek:Absolutely.

I'm grateful for all the times I've been told no.

And I'm grateful for all the people who didn't like me.

Like I said, when I worked for Art Christman and when I worked for Phil Remington, they allowed me to make mistakes.

Once you make a mistake, you either learn from it or you don't.

But the good ones learn.

I think it's the same thing with what we're going through in life.

You can either let it beat you up, or you can ask, "What's the message here? What am I supposed to learn from this?"

It hurts at the time, but after some time it becomes okay.

What's Next for Keith Koldsbaek?

Ric Hansen:On your continuing journey, what's going to be next for you?

Do you have any idea?

Keith Koldsbaek:Everything.

Dee Dee and I want to have some sort of purpose that we do together to serve.

She'll probably keep working. She likes it. She works 20 hours a week.

I have a bunch of friends that I can help once I'm retired in January, in different forms of motorsports.

We'll find that path together.

Making Heaven a Little More Crowded

Ric Hansen:When you and I first spoke on the phone before this, you said, "I don't know if I have much of a story."

Then you started telling these stories, and I'm thinking, "Oh my gosh, this guy's got a story!"

Keith Koldsbaek:I still don't think I have a story.

Ric Hansen:I love them all.

The fact that you found Jesus during this journey and have become a believer and a devout believer is a testimony to who you are and the story you've woven over these last decades.

I want to thank you so much for sharing.

It's July 1st, you're going to be on the mountain.

I'll be praying for you that you return.

Keith Koldsbaek:Yeah.

And one other thing: Dee Dee and I agree on this.

Our goal is just to make heaven a little bit more crowded.

That's what we try to do every day.

Ric Hansen:Love that. I love that.

So, Dee Dee—will she be there in the Northwest at that time?

Keith Koldsbaek:Oh, absolutely.

Ric Hansen:And how about Bella? Where's Bella going to be?

Keith Koldsbaek:She'll have to be there because I don't leave her with anybody.

She's never been in a cage.

If she goes to the groomer, I tell them she's got to go straight through. Tell me what time to pick her up.

She's 90 percent off-leash.

I want to make sure she lives her best life, just like we're doing.

Ric Hansen:And Caitlin will be there too in the Northwest?

Keith Koldsbaek:No, she's not going to make it.

She's a vet tech. She works her butt off.

Ric Hansen:Is she your vet?

Keith Koldsbaek:Absolutely. Bella's, yeah.

Closing

Ric Hansen:Thank you so much for being with us, Keith, and sharing your story.

I'll let you know when it's going to publish.

God bless you and Dee Dee and Bella and Caitlin.

I feel like I know them all now because they have such an interesting part of your story.

Thank you, Keith.

Keith Koldsbaek:Thank you very much.

Ric Hansen:So interesting.

Keith is a guy who totally gets it, loves what he does, lives life to the fullest and enjoys the journey.

NASCAR Bible studies, marathons with his best friend, a bi-coastal marriage—this story's truly amazing.

Thanks for joining us today on Amazing Greats.

Share with your friends, and we have a whole lot more coming up on Amazing Greats in the weeks to come.

Thanks for listening.

God bless.